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bogleg -

I want to announce that a new version of the ZDT has been released. Check out this page for a
description of what's new. If you're an existing user, please check out the link above on how to
migrate your existing data over.

The big new feature is that it is now easy to modify your entries to change things like your
definitions. This was a major request by many users. Also, Pleco and SuperMemo export formats are
now built into this release.

It's completely free and available for Windows, Linux, and Mac. As always, feedback, suggestions
and hate mail are welcome.

Chris



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bogleg -

ZDT 0.5.2 is out now. Check out what's new. It includes a couple new features like auto backup and
several bug fixes.

Enjoy!

Chris










do do do do -

hiya im lik really sorry to bother u
but before wen i had that zhongwen thing there was other stuff in it now theres jus fruits

how can i get those other things again? u no the 500 most common n the radicals

thank euuuUUuwwwe xxx










bogleg -

Hi,

What version are you using? You can find some word lists here:
http://zdt.sourceforge.net/main/wordlist_index/. Just download what you want to your computer and
import them into the program.

Chris










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thank euwe

erm dunno bout b4 but now its the one above

ur great thanx for the help












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adrianlondon -

I know this isn't really a "living in China" thread but, well - without the flight, I won't be
able to live there so I'm clinging to relevance ...

I'm after a flight from London to Beijing. The price isn't bad (around £400-£500) until I put in
a stay of over a month, at which point the price jumps to around £700. Of course, there are some
cheapish options but as they usually involve at least one stop, the airport taxes then add so much
to the price that it's back to £700 before you know it.

Not only that, but I'm not sure when I want to come home, so I need a changeable return date. Ouch
- another increase in price.

I'm going to use my BNU acceptance letter to try and get an ISIC (International Student ID Card)
which may let me get a decent 12-month-open-return type price. However, they tend to be for young
students, not 37 year olds.

Any tips?



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zixingche -

How about two singles? Have you tried China Travel Services in Shaftsbury Avenue? They usually
have quite good prices. If you you do get two singles, it's probably cheaper to get the China to
UK flight with a UK company.










adrianlondon -

I checked out the price of a single and it was horribly expensive.

CTS is on my list of places to check out; along with "ours travel" and some place on Charing Cross
Road.

I have my BNU paperwork now, so will go to STA Travel and hopefully get my ISIC card (yes, I know,
it's like saying PIN number, but just saying ISIC doesn't sound right) tomorrow.










ZhuJiesheng -

if you try jade travel near the pagoda in china town, as long as you are under 26 you can get a
low tariff; if you want a non-stop then you'll prob end up with air china. I got a single for 270
and I don't fly till august. I think prices went up at the end of June (summer sale ended >.<) but
it shouldnt be that much more expensive.










adrianlondon -

£270 isn't bad and I'd prefer non-stop for the speed, obviously, but also because even though
they look more expensive at first, as there's less airport tax to add on, it can work out quite
similar in price to the slower flight.

One of the things I mention in my opening post is that I'm 37. That's a bit over 26, unfortunately










ZhuJiesheng -

ah, fair enough lol. Well you don't have to worry about the airport tax at least as thats included
in the price they give you :p










Ju_de -

I have just bought my tickets to London to Beijing (return) for 415 pounds in Chinatown, which is
a student price.
I think this is a special deal which has just started.

I will be flying out at the end of August with Air China. Its valid for 12 months, and the return
date can be changed for a small admin fee (about 50 pound).

I also found a similar fare on the STA website, though I am not sure if its still available.

Adrian, I think that as long as you are a full-time student you are eligible for the ISIC card,
regardless of age. My friend used her university acceptance letter, and managed to get one.










adrianlondon -

Thanks for that - yes, I've been told I can get an ISIC even though I'm not under 26.
Unfortunately, many of the student flights say "full time students *and* under 26" which rules me
out.

You flight - a 12 month open return with a smallish change fee - is exactly what I'm after.

I went to CTS Travel on Shaftsbury Avenue yesterday and all they could offer me was Emirates for
around £470 (plus £75 change-date fee). They said that offers for September would likely be
released in a couple of weeks.

Where in China Town did you go, Ju-de? I live and work walking distance from there so can pop over
any time. I want your flight When I priced-up Air China online (for Aug or Sep outward) it came in
at £1400!










Ju_de -

Adrian, that is strange because I bought mine from CTS travel, 112A Shaftesbury Ave. I reserved
the seat on tuesday, and paid for it on thursday.

It could be that you are planning to fly out in september, whereas I'm departing at the end of
August. So you may have to wait for a few weeks to get that special offer.










adrianlondon -

hmm - are you under 26? I'll go and see them again, and ask specifically about Air China student
prices. if I have to go a few days early, so be it.












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atitarev -

What you're suggesting, Roddy, has been happening in Japan. Before people achieve full literacy in
kanji, they use just hiragana. Hiragana books are very popular in Japan with kids, and there is
also the next step - mixture fully-fledged Japanese text and a hiragana text next to it/above it.
These educational materials, you're talking about, could be done in both pinyin and characters.
There is a limited number of books that have both hanzi and pinyin, e.g. 注音故事乐园
Zhùyīn gùshi lèyuán. They are great. I've got a few now - saves a lot of time looking up
characters and makes sure you pronounce the words correctly and with the right tones. I don't see
why there can't be newspapers, billboards, web-sites and more written in such a way.

In the Arab world kids are taught in vocalised Arabic (they commonly don't write short vowels -
thy cmmnl dn't wrt shrt vwls), and there is some material written in this simpler version of
Arabic. Well, you have no problem finding religious books, written in such a way but not enough
other kind of readings. Literacy is an enormous problem there, although Arabic writing is easier
than Chinese.

Pinyin hasn't been promoted and used enough in China. If it were, it would not be perceived as
such an UnChinese thing.



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roddy -

Are there any situations in which both fully-fledged Japanese versions and hirigana versions are
provided for adult users. I have no idea what the literacy rate is like in Japan, and have no idea
about the language, sorry if that seems like a dumb question. I did listen to the first lesson of
Pimsleur's Japanese course last night though, so I'm sure I'll be fluent in no time.










atitarev -



Quote:

Are there any situations in which both fully-fledged Japanese versions and hiragana versions are
provided for adult users.

Comics (manga) and anime are read/watched by adults or at least adolescents. They are usually
supplied with furigana (hiragana written next to kanji) and subtitles in anime often have them.
I'd say I seldom saw comics WITHOUT them! Even adults books have them occasionally to help with
rare words. I wish translated versions into Chinese followed the same tradition providing hanyu
pinyin or zhuyin fuhao (in Taiwan).

Hiragana Times publishes books, magazines for adults in fully-fledged Japanese (mixture of
hiragana - kanji) and the phonetical guides in hiragana plus English. Very useful!










hbuchtel -

Having an easier to use writing system is one thing, but getting individuals to be interested in
spending the time required to learn it is another thing.

A lot of education is self-motivated. Does written character's connection to traditional Chinese
culture help to increase people's literacy? (I know it does for me! )

Henry










Eulloba -

I am always horrified when I think of DeFrancis advocating the abolition of Chinese characters.
Some other time I will expound on the most perfect writing system ever divised by humans, namely
Chinese.

Given the same language learning conditions to study the writing systems of Chinese and English,
English is by far more difficult and without any of the advantages and the multifuntional
"syllabary-word" which are Chinese characters.

It is very symptomatic that some English speaking Westeners should promote the unnecessary and
preposterous reform of the Chinese script and NOT promote the really necessary reformation of
English spelling: see and sea, time and thyme, and countless instances of erratic spelling... but
they look beautiful, don't they? So who cares about logic (I really like English spelling because
it's so Chinese!).

This indeed has the same colonization connotations as promoting democracy at home but not abroad.
Or promoting democracy to enter the market, not for the benefit of the peple, which amounts to the
same thing.

English speaker are very wise not wasting time in promoting writing reforms and so it is the more
amazing that some Westeners, without any grounds should try and teach their mother to suck eggs:
appalling.










Quest -



Quote:

Comics (manga) and anime are read/watched by adults or at least adolescents. They are usually
supplied with furigana (hiragana written next to kanji) and subtitles in anime often have them.
I'd say I seldom saw comics WITHOUT them! Even adults books have them occasionally to help with
rare words. I wish translated versions into Chinese followed the same tradition providing hanyu
pinyin or zhuyin fuhao (in Taiwan).

I started reading comic books in 2nd/3rd grade, I understood them pretty well. Why the need?

As far as I know, the absolute majority of the Chinese people (adults and pupils alike) are
comfortable reading and writing in Chinese characters. Kids complain about copying characters
during their first 3 years of school because they really don't need to copy the characters the
assigned # of times to learn them. They can learn characters outside of school just as well
without copying them. I don't understand why Westerners keep making a big fuss about 汉字 being
too hard to learn and too hard to memorize. They'd dig up "common" words to ask the "university
educated" Chinese to write, and then say "gotcha, abandon the characters already." If the person
needed to write that word often, he wouldn't have forgotten how to write it. If he didn't need to,
then so what if he forgot? Most essays and compositions are comfortably written without a
dictionary by most people, how are the characters handicapping the Chinese people? If the
characters affected them so much, Mao's romanization would have been adopted without question.

Another pro character argument: reading speed. I was playing a Chinese rpg game a couple days ago.
Texts were presented in a 4line box, I found it interesting that I could scan 4 lines of
screenwide text in under 2 seconds on average and understood what they said. I seriously doubt
that would have been possible with pinyin even with adequate training.

All that said, people who advocate abolishment will continue to hold their views; this whole
debate is pointless. The Americans continue to ignore the metric system, the British continue to
cheer for their royalty, the Christians continue to spend their weekends in churches, the Muslims
continue to wage their jihad, the global youth continue to waste time and money on their celebs, I
wonder how much a fraction of one or two years of a pupil's time spent on character learning
affected his/her competitiveness vis a vis the Koreans and the Vietnamese, who supposedly should
have more time in their lives to pursue more useful endeavors.










roddy -



Quote:

I know lots of Chinese people who are greatly offended by this sort of thing - foreign professors
who specialize in arguing that the Chinese should abandon their writing system! As Victor someone
or other argues on the pinyin.info site, the Chinese could abandon characters, but would have to
change their writing style.



Quote:

Tell your Chinese friends that an American professor who is a great Sinologist has built his
career on a campaign to abolish Chinese characters.



Quote:

If characters were abolished, a fundamental part of Chinese culture would be lost.



Quote:

So it's natural for people to get emotional when some 'outsiders' tell you that your language
(culture) is stupid and needs to be abolished.



Quote:

I am always horrified when I think of DeFrancis advocating the abolition of Chinese characters.



Quote:

All that said, people who advocate abolishment will continue to hold their views;


Djwebb, Quest, et al, 2006.

I'm going to have to yet again reveal my vast ignorance here. Could someone please point me to the
text in which DeFrancis, or indeed anyone with any academic credibility, actually advocates the
abolishment of Chinese characters today. I can see discussions of the feasibility, I can see
consideration of the shortcomings of Chinese characters, I can see contemplation of dual script
systems with pinyin as a more prominent complement to characters, and review of the feasibility
and advisability of local language reform efforts, but that's as far as it goes. I don't have a
copy of Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy here, but I can see from the chapter listing on
pinyin.info that the last chapter is named Writing Reform. Is it in there?










gato -



Quote:

I don't have a copy of Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy here, but I can see from the chapter
listing on pinyin.info that the last chapter is named Writing Reform. Is it in there?

Wushijiao has my copy of "Fact and Fantasy," so maybe he can chime in. De Francis obviously does
not advocate the abolishment of Chinese characters. He's the author of Chinese textbooks and
dictionaries after all. If nothing else, it would be in his personal financial interest to have
Chinese characters around. He does many things in the book -- one of which is to show written
Chinese is actually partially phonetic -- the section on language reform retraces the history of
debate around language reform in China. What he does advocate is to find way to make written
Chinese accessible and practical for the average Chinese. He quotes a survey by a Chinese
researcher who noted that many rural Chinese who attend school for six years eventually forget how
to write most the characters they learned because they do not write on a daily basis.

He also notes that written Chinese is more difficult to learn than most world languages. He quotes
Bernhard Karlgren, the famous Sinologist whose Chinese etymology book is incorporated into the
Wenlin dictionary, as saying that it's not a problem for a foreigner to learn 3000 Chinese
characters in a year with some diligence and asks how many of us are on the same level as
Karlgren. People with an IQ of 150 often underestimate how difficult things are for the average
person (of course, sometimes they overestimate when it flatters them).










roddy -

I've read the book - it was some time ago though.

Quote:

De Francis obviously does not advocate the abolishment of Chinese characters.

Well he must do somewhere, otherwise we would not have the likes of "I am always horrified when I
think of DeFrancis advocating the abolition of Chinese characters." and "a campaign to abolish
Chinese characters." being bandied around. I'd like to read this anti-character manifesto.










atitarev -



Quote:

My Quote: Comics (manga) and anime are read/watched by adults or at least adolescents. They are
usually supplied with furigana (hiragana written next to kanji) and subtitles in anime often have
them. I'd say I seldom saw comics WITHOUT them! Even adults books have them occasionally to help
with rare words. I wish translated versions into Chinese followed the same tradition providing
hanyu pinyin or zhuyin fuhao (in Taiwan).

Quest:


Quote:

I started reading comic books in 2nd/3rd grade, I understood them pretty well. Why the need?

Quest, I admit that being more disciplined in learning/using just characters you, Chinese achieve
better and faster results at mastering them. However, I think it would be great if there were more
materials in the mixture of Chinese and pinyin + English translation to get more adult learners to
be involved in Chinese and enable more people to read and enjoy Chinese texts (be it not in native
script). It helps to master Chinese characters too, seeing them used in context as part of a word
without having to look up the characters.












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10 minutes WALK from Guomao (World Trade Center) subway 1 br in CBD Chaoyang for only 1800/br (225
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blee3939 -

I'm a Chinese boy, 23, youngest of 3. I know what you're feeling. My oldest brother married a
Chinese woman 5 years older than him (a huge no-no in our culture). But he told them about their
relationship when they were in too deep. My sister, she married a white guy. But they were in
school together, so it was hard for my parents to keep watch. And that leaves me. I am living at
home to save money so I will have some savings before I move out. My parents are very traditional,
but want happiness for me and my siblings. Which is why they don't openly go against my sister and
brother. But since I am the last hope for them, I feel a lot of pressure. I was dating a really
good friend of mine. I was close friends with her for 4+ years, and started dating in February.
The big problem was that she was a mulatto (black and white). In my culture, it might be the worst
thing, well at least to my parents. That kills me. I am so open minded and accepting of all races,
yet my parents, of whom I love dearly, are so against it. I know it is their culture and whatnot,
but who says culture is a good thing if it is wrong? I feel so bad about it, and that we had to
end on those terms. Our relationship was amazing, even though she lived about an hour and a half
away. We'd talk on the weeknights and hang out on the weekends. Every second we spent together was
amazing. Now I am left to wondering for the rest of my life if I made the right decision. Only if
I could see it through until the end, maybe things wouldn't have worked out. It proved to be too
hard to turn my back on my parents, who sacrificed a lot to move to the US and support me and my
siblings. I'm just so torn about the whole situation. But what's done is done right? Just have to
move on. The culture is there, chinese children are usually very obedient. But to the white folks,
it is very prevalent these days for whites to date asians. So keep up hope.



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anthony_barker -

Wife's parents didn't want us to get married - still did. They refused to talk to us - until their
grandchild came along.

Now they've forgotten about me and focus on my daughter. Everything is somewhat better (on the
surface at least).










adrianlondon -

My partner's parents know of me (in that I've been to Taipei twice and stayed over at their place
for a few days) but they don't know I've been in a relationship with their son for the last 4
years. We both live in London.

I think the issue isn't that I'm white, but that I'm a bloke

My family are fine; and I think his are fine in a "we're aware what's going on, just don't talk
about it" kind of way. It's all about saving face with the neighbours over there










billiardsmike -

Adrian,

Many years in Atlanta (the San Fransisco of the southern US) have taught me that most Asian
cultures have a more difficult time accepting gays than most western cultures (Latin America being
an exception). I've had several gay friends who found this to be a major stumbling block. You may
have to accept it and move on.










adrianlondon -

I have accepted it; it seems to work fine for all concerned. A sort of "don't ask don't tell"
policy, based on the US military :-)










Incubus -

hi all, ive been searching the net for help and advice on chinese culture. you see my girlfriend
is chinese. she moved to adelaide 4 months ago and we have been dating since.
i find her such a beautiful person , that treats me in a way i could only dream about before.
previous dating attrempts had always failed and to be hoenst ive not had any luck with western
girls and their western attitudes. i met cindy and my life turned around.

im 37 and a single father of a 9 year old boy, she has so far accepted this.i cannot describe in
words how i feel about her or how she treats me is so differant to western girls. all i know is i
love her culture and have tried to adpot as much of it as possible and have gotten rid of the
typiucal beer and bbq aussie culture. i want to learn so much about chinese culture and to be if
possible to be a little chinese in the way i am as a person.

she is 31 and has had a couple of boyfriends, she cannot had children due to a blockage ro some
other medical term. she came here as a nurse and is at uni gettin her accreditaion. she has stated
she wants to have children and have actually been trying and was talking about IVF as well soon as
she got a job,also she wanted to get a car and house to live in , the family dream for me was
becoming a reality since we met we have both really be taken by each other. especialy me , of
which i promptly fell in love with her (mistake no.1).


well after 4 months of the best times of my life the bubble was burst.
she started telling me over msn chat as we dont live together, that she is very unhappy and
frustrated. i will show what she wrote as i am so uspet at the moment, i did not sleep well last
night and have not gone to work today. im so depressed that what i thought of a wonderfull future
we could have was ripped away from me




Quote:

you don't have much idea about my feeling. I'm struggling all the time. i'm not sure where to go
in the future( I mean whether i will go back china). the differences in culture and many ways
always confuse me and make me not comfortable.also I'm not sure if i'm interested in family life.
I have been used to live alone and freely and do what i want to doCultural differences, i mean not
only eating lifestlye, but also the way you thinking whick is more important




Quote:

i got Chinese thinking, you got Australia thinking. For example, when some dispute happened
between two lovers. in our culture the guy always should coax or console or make consessions to
the girl even the girl is wrong.
8/30/2006 11:19:15 PM 西子湖畔 Incubus it is really hard to explain such things
8/30/2006 11:21:06 PM 西子湖畔 Incubus also we got different attitudes about working, how to
lead a life, and so on
8/30/2006 11:21:52 PM 西子湖畔 Incubus i think my explanation is not enough and not strong as
i think


i dont know why im posting this , im just looking for help i suppose or advice on what these
cultural diffances are
what am i doing wrong as a aussie that a chinese man does not do wrong?

please help










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by her

you don't have much idea about my feeling. I'm struggling all the time.


It sounds like she's trying to tell you something (perhaps your way of dealing with her / not
understanding her ?)










Lu -

I don't know your GF and I don't know you, and am neither Chinese nor Australian, but I'll try to
shed some light on it.


Quote:

she started telling me over msn chat as we dont live together, that she is very unhappy and
frustrated.

Is this the main issue, or just one of the problems? It might be that she feels she's getting
nowhere with you. By Chinese standards, she's an old maid, plus she can't have children. It could
be that she very much wants to get married (and have a baby) and that she feels you're not willing
to marry her. You haven't popped the question yet (possibly because you feel 4 months is too short
to get engaged), but she maybe wants to know for sure that she's not wasting her time with you,
and that you're not just another foreigner who plays around with a Chinese girl only to dump her
shortly afterwards.



Quote:

For example, when some dispute happened between two lovers. in our culture the guy always should
coax or console or make consessions to the girl even the girl is wrong.

Not sure if this is really always the case with Chinese boys, but it'd definately help if you'd
coax/console her, tell her how much she means to you, etc etc.

And some general relationship advice:
- in intercultural relationships, it's really important to realize that there are differences, and
to talk about it. Also, trust is very important. If she does something that upsets you, you have
to be able to be sure that she didn't mean to upset you but that she loves you and it's a cultural
thing. Then tell her what she did, why that upset you, ask her why she did that, talk it over
until you understand each other.
- do not have difficult conversations late at night, when you're both tired.
- do not go to sleep before making up.

Lastly: surely you're going to do a lot of things wrong that Chinese men don't do wrong. But the
things you'll do right that Chinese boys don't do right will in all likelihood be more.
You are not the first Australian man with a Chinese GF, and also not the last. Many Ch-Au couples
have gotten married and lived long and happily ever after, so it's not something impossilble that
you're trying.

Good luck!










KIWIBOY -

I feel what you are going through. I went through it for 2 years and never popped the question, I
wasn't playing with her - loved her very much but her family would not meet me and she always put
her father in front of me. Looking back on it, we were living together for some 6-9 months and in
my culture that is a fairly short period before you pop the question, especially with family
issues in the way. It could not get resolved at all and after her arguing with her father on the
phone she packed her bags and went back to China, me not really understanding why and heartbroken.

Looking back on it now, she wanted committment sooner than I was prepared to give it to her. I
love her dearly but I could not marry her with the problems we had. If its going to be over, it
better be sooner rather than later because after 6 months I am only just coming out of the swamp
and we have no communication at all. I have several other friends that have similar experiences.
My GF did not want to look after children, she wanted her parents to but they are in China, she
wanted a fantastic career, she wanted to live in NZ but then didn't, she said she could always
find another husband not another father, the list went on - too much for any guy. In retrospect if
I had popped the question 1 year ago we would have been married today but it was just too much
risk for me and I was prepared for a broken heart rather than a lifetime of confusion and regrets
that I would also have inflicted on my children - I don't care about my feelings now, just the
feelings of any children. She doesn't think the same and holds herself as a victim of
circumstances out of my control and blames me - understandable but she new her culture better than
I did and had also been immersed in Kiwi culture for 5 years. My first thought is that she wants
to marry you and in their culture its a way of telling you. You are in a relatively easy position
compared with me, because at least her family is not against you. If you love her and want to be
with her, don't worry about what she is saying at the moment, pretty sure she wants to marry you
mate.










Incubus -

thank you for your reply, i really appreciate it.

firstly i would marry this girl in a heart beat but i am so unaware of how she feels about me as
she doesnt tell me, but i do love this girl dearly and would be so happy to be married to her.

i try to console her always. i tell here very time i see her how beautiful she is to me and how
importnant she is. i am a very emotional person and am not afraid to show my feelings. i am very
affectionate with her and to the point i cant think straight.
i would do anything for this girl. i even said to her, if you go back to china im coming too , i
dont want to loose you for anything.

as for the suggestions about talking about issues that is a very good idea and i like the points
you made . thank you i will try to put them into practice..


unfortunatley nothing has changed she was on msn last night but did not tak to me much. in fact
her usual affectionate self was present . which indeed made me very sad. i still dont know what to
do.

her constantly telling me the cultural differances are to great, our way of thinking about
everything is too hard for her. especialy in a relationship. now when i ask her to explain she
cannot.

please can somoene tell me what the cultural differances in a relationship is. i hope there is a
aussie/chineses couple out there that maybe able to help me. i am desperate .












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It would cost yourself $300, you got one laptop, the other two are donated to the poor children.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/pete/se...7594143224765/


http://www.laptop.org/faq.en_US.html


http://www.laptop.org/


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HashiriKata -

Let's give the third world a taste of what they need from us!

Let's teach them/ force them to need what they don't need!

Let's make them feel totally inadequate, and eventually they'll sell their souls and bodies to us
for more of our discarded junk!

$100 a laptop, and this is only the beginning!

$100 a laptop for the third world, and this is the only alternative!

(And we don't want to know any other alternatives!!!)










Lugubert -

Satire is very difficult.

Great job though, HashiriKata!

I would prefer to donate to for example a well drilling project to supply a Bangladeshi village
with arsenic free water.

To reverse the thinking, the main lesson I got when studying Hindi in India for a month was that
it is possible to live without much of the complicated and expensive modern technology and still
be happy, well-fed, etc.

OTOH, there are hi-tech things that do add to the possibilities of rural and/or unprevilegied
people. Owning a cellphone will allow even small scale growers to find a better price than when
relying on some village monopolist buyer, learning to use cheap computers may give kids better
opportunities for more education etc.










Lu -

Opening an internetcafe is a better idea, I think. A laptop is only used by one person, and not
all the time. Put the laptop (or computer) in a bar and hire it out, and many more people can
profit from it.










libertango -

from what i remember, those laptops were meant to replace textbooks... so in that way, they would
save poor families alot of money.










Lu -

Not really. $100 can buy a lot of textbooks, especially in developing countries, were prices are
lower.
$100, that's about Y800, you can buy textbooks for an entire (small) Chinese school for that.










Lugubert -

I'll try to find the video, despite its being mainly in Swedish, but anyway there seems to be in
India a project providing Internet access through what looks rather like phone booths (but free!),
where kids (as well as adults) can connect to and use the 'net using a full keyboard and looking
at a perfectly normal monitor.












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数理化: to mathematicize and to physicsize










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neng power energy, in taiyangneng solar energy, direneng geothermal energy, huaxueneng chemical
energy,jixieneng mechanical energy, fengneng wind power etc.
能，太阳能， 地热能，化学能，机械能， 风能










jukebox -



Quote:

数理化: to mathematicize and to physicsize

You must be kidding.










melop -

hahaha, 数理化 actually means maths, physics and chemistry.
Before English became an important subject in China, the 3 subject above is thought to be the most
important subjects for students.

My teacher used to tell us "学好数理化，走遍天下都不怕"。哈哈哈。










YangDizi -

Following on from the previous examples of the use of 化 as a suffix：

信息化

The translation into English which government agencies use is "informatise/informatisation" - not
only are they inventing words in Chinese, they are also doing the same in English! (I know the
word "informatisation" exists in French).












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